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    Hi, First post, but I've been reading up.I'm doing a gut renovation of my urban loft apartment. 1600 square feet, all one floor. LED/MLV/ELV/Low voltage, possibly shades, probably not audio. I have some quotes for installers using Radio RA2, but that seems excessive and then I'm in a bit of a closed system and require their assistance for changes in the future. I want to tweak & geek a little here and there, experimenting with a couple Zwave and or IFFTT scenarios, perhaps setting up an iPad with a Home Assistant floor layout home screen. But that's down the line. The concept I'm considering is to have only a few visible 4-button switches for the sort of "top hits" of the scenes I want to execute. I wouldn't have any dimmers directly wired as switches, but instead bury the dimmers in a closet and use the 4 button switches in several locations to activate scenes wirelessly. I'm having the GC wire the gang box into 9 switch locations so that in the future I could put in something like Brilliant or Orro or if Lutron ever puts in a touch screen. We would then use the app or Alexa/Google/Apple to access anything for individual commands or tweaks.Right now looking at about 40 dimmers in 10 zones: Entry, Kitchen, Dining, Living, Den, Bedroom 1, Loft in bedroom 1, Bedroom 2, Bathroom 1, Bathroom 2I'm thinking Caseta set up in a closet near the breaker box for the various dimmers.I'd then have 1-2 four-button wireless switches (https://www.lbclighting.com/products...saAu9pEALw_wcB) in each of the above 9 locations. For example: in the entry, scene 1 might control the entry lights, scene 2 might add some kitchen lights as that's the next zone in, and the third scene might light up a few of the dining area lights even further in. Scene 4 may be all off or a 4th set of lights.So to summarize, about 40 dimmers in a closet controlling single and groups of lights. 4 button scene remotes to do the heavy lifting, with voice and/or app to do any fine tuning or changes from the default scene.Oh, and I would have a fan Pico right at the site near a fan so that it is controlling the fan directly. That can be wired right there or could also be remote I suppose.Three questions: 1) Thoughts? Any issues?2) Any thoughts on whether to wire the fan near the fan or also bury the dimmer and use a remote?3) I think there are separate models for LED and ELV, but how do I handle 0-10V dimmable lights with Caseta? I think for the 0-10V one has to use this adapter: https://www.lutron.com/technicaldocu...ry/grx-tvi.pdf, paired with PD-5NE belowFor the ELV: PD-5NE shown in this document, page 5, https://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocu...987_ENG.pdfAnd for LED, PD-6WCL, shown in the same document same pageFor Fan: PD-FSQN, same document, page 4I think that covers all the types of lights? Do I need to put this little gizmo with everything to keep the buzz down? https://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocu...369987_ENG.pdf page 10Thanks,

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    Hi, First post, but I've been reading up.I'm doing a gut renovation of my urban loft apartment. 1600 square feet, all one floor. LED/MLV/ELV/Low voltage, possibly shades, probably not audio. I have some quotes for installers using Radio RA2, but that seems excessive and then I'm in a bit of a closed system and require their assistance for changes in the future. I want to tweak & geek a little here and there, experimenting with a couple Zwave and or IFFTT scenarios, perhaps setting up an iPad with a Home Assistant floor layout home screen. But that's down the line.

    The concept I'm considering is to have only a few visible 4-button switches for the sort of "top hits" of the scenes I want to execute. I wouldn't have any dimmers directly wired as switches, but instead bury the dimmers in a closet and use the 4 button switches in several locations to activate scenes wirelessly. I'm having the GC wire the gang box into 9 switch locations so that in the future I could put in something like Brilliant or Orro or if Lutron ever puts in a touch screen. We would then use the app or Alexa/Google/Apple to access anything for individual commands or tweaks.

    Right now looking at about 40 dimmers in 10 zones: Entry, Kitchen, Dining, Living, Den, Bedroom 1, Loft in bedroom 1, Bedroom 2, Bathroom 1, Bathroom 2.

    I'm thinking Caseta set up in a closet near the breaker box for the various dimmers. I'd then have 1-2 four-button wireless switches (https://www.lbclighting.com/products...saAu9pEALw_wcB) in each of the above 9 locations. For example: in the entry, scene 1 might control the entry lights, scene 2 might add some kitchen lights as that's the next zone in, and the third scene might light up a few of the dining area lights even further in. Scene 4 may be all off or a 4th set of lights.

    So to summarize, about 40 dimmers in a closet controlling single and groups of lights. 4 button scene remotes to do the heavy lifting, with voice and/or app to do any fine tuning or changes from the default scene. Oh, and I would have a fan Pico right at the site near a fan so that it is controlling the fan directly. That can be wired right there or could also be remote I suppose.

    Three questions:
    1) Thoughts? Any issues?
    2) Any thoughts on whether to wire the fan near the fan or also bury the dimmer and use a remote?
    3) I think there are separate models for LED and ELV, but how do I handle 0-10V dimmable lights with Caseta? I think for the 0-10V one has to use this adapter:
    https://www.lutron.com/technicaldocu...ry/grx-tvi.pdf, paired with PD-5NE below.


    - For the ELV: PD-5NE shown in this document, page 5, https://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocu...987_ENG.pdfAnd
    - For LED, PD-6WCL, shown in the same document same page
    - For Fan: PD-FSQN, same document, page 4I think that covers all the types of lights? Do I need to put this little gizmo with everything to keep the buzz down?
    https://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocu...369987_ENG.pdf page 10

    Thanks,

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    Take a close look at those Pico 4-button remotes. Contrary to what Lutron says, they are NOT KEYPADS! The L31 has 3-scenes and off. Think of it as high/medium/low and off. You can't have button 1 turn the dining on/off, button 2 turn the kitchen on/off, etc. The L21 has scene 1 on/off and scene 2 on/off. It's probably gong to take a lot of Picos to get the control you want. Each Pico takes 1 of the 75 allowed addresses.

    Take a close look at IFFTT. It's not very user friendly.

    Lutron fan controls will only work with fans that have a pull-chain. Those are getting to be hard to find. Leave the switch remote and use the fan provided remote to control it from the room.

    I would avoid 10v controls. If you have to, yes you will need the TVI. You will need to make sure you don't exceed the amperage rating on the 10v output of the TVI.
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