I'm just a Lutron guy and don't mess with Savant, C4, Crestron, etc. but often those dealers are also in the houses I have set up lighting in and link to my system. In the past, I would just update the database as soon as a new version came out because it often had positive changes - faster uploads, less errors, etc. but Starting With version 12, taking away default logins, not being up to date about what Lutron in their unilateral wisdom has decided to take away is downright scary and could be a very expensive mistake. I learned this the hard way and had to work many free hours to figure out what had gone wrong but at the end, had to get with the AV guy to change the Telnet Username and Password.With version 16 of the Designer software, Lutron will completely take away Telnet and will use an API type system. For those of you who do integration, is that something that's already being used by Savant, C4, Crestron or are they breaking Telnet without the other methods of integration already being in place? Currently, I have to take over an existing job that has Lutron and Savant, and need to know that if I ever go beyond version 15, whether it's even possible to integrate or the customer would need a new Savant system if I did. It's not a good place to be at because it means the customer won't be able to take advantage of new dimmers that will come out in the future.